hmm.

[ndnickerson]

bear with me.

okay, so let's go with the N-jump theory of time.

-A: 1977-2007 happened. the dharma initiative came to the island. charlotte's family was part of the group that came to the island. she did not meet daniel in the past because he did not go back in time, as this is the unadulturated timeline. eloise and charles widmore conceived daniel faraday, who survived without incident. sayid did not shoot ben as a child. as far as we know, the incident did happen, as the dharma initiative was on the island and doing construction without outside influence.

-B: the time flashes took those on the island back in time. daniel talked to charlotte as a child, but after a different series of events [since in this timeline the oceanic 6 are not also in the past], went to the others and was shot by his mother. miles and/or daniel revealed to dr chang that miles was his child and he was meant to send his wife and child and others off the island. sayid did not shoot ben as a child, because sayid does not go back in this timeline. in 2007, the oceanic 6 return to the island in 1977. this changes time again.

-C: the oceanic 6 end up back in 1977. daniel talks to charlotte because he knows he already did and goes with jack and kate into the jungle to find his mother, who then shoots him, as she was destined to do. sayid shoots ben as a child.

oh KILL ME.

was daniel always destined to die by his mother's hand? guess it depends on whether we're going with fixed time or a loop. we're in what looks like the third version of this history, which means jack and kate could theoretically stop the incident which would stop their own plane crash, which would put them in a time where they remember a history that hasn't actually happened. however, if we're in a loop, jack and kate have already attempted, and failed, to change this, otherwise they wouldn't be able to attempt to fix it. if they succeed we have to be in an N-jump.

watch there be some quasi-logical explanation that ignores all this. also because abc's timing is always off compared to the DVR, i missed the part between daniel telling richard he needed to see ellie, and ellie shooting him. dammit.

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[heartoutofstone.livejournal.com]

daniel is/was my favorite lost character of all time.
i kind of felt sick to my stomach.
what a HORRIBLE HORRIBLE death. and i mean horrible because it was just such a shitty way to kill someone.
i honestly don't know how i feel about all of this. but i did manage to cry an insane amount over this entire ordeal. :(

[ndnickerson.livejournal.com]

it's... i mean, dammit. it all seems pretty senseless. why was daniel so desperate to get to his mother, if he didn't realize that this was how it was going to go down? why her? he said she was the only way they could get back to the "present," but what about eloise is so special that she could do that? i'm just... grr.

also i know it's pretty reductionist of me, but i can totally see jack and kate somehow sending daniel a message and about ten minutes later a new daniel popping up on the island. because it's time travel and we have all the time in the world. [maybe.]

it's just so damn sad and this was supposed to be a happy episode.

[heartoutofstone.livejournal.com]

i can't even properly read your comment because i'm still ~greiving~, lol.

i dunno. i think jeremy davies is done with this show... for good. i just have a feeling in the pit of my stomach.

[placebetween.livejournal.com]

god what I really hated was the fact that Kate's first question was, "How are you going to do that?" as opposed to the more obvious, "WHAT THE FUCK WILL HAPPEN TO US?"

because I feel like that's fairly important, and now that Faraday is gone they really have no idea what will happen. Dumbasses.

[ndnickerson.livejournal.com]

well, there's that fun moment in the preview where jack says "all we need to know to fix this is in here," and holds up daniel's journal, but the problem is that it's *daniel*'s journal, not meant for someone like jack to read (unless the lost writers let the exposition fairy wave her wand over it). so it was important that daniel tell kate what he was going to do so that they would know what was at stake before he went over there to die.

kind of.

because the whole big deal, on a much larger scale, is indeed WTF, are they going to disappear like marty's family in back to the future, or will they exist in a timeline where they remember another history? i much prefer the latter, but i think we're all pretty sure that either a) by trying to prevent it, they're going to cause it or b) they will fail to prevent it and therefore live their past over again.

[ich-faultier.livejournal.com]

I cannot follow this show anymore. Why the hell did Eloise need to kill her son? Why does she have all the answers? Also, when is the island going to start killing babies? Does it have something to do with Daniel's death? I am guessing that he was conceived on the island...

I really, really hope that this was the major character death they have been talking about since the beginning of time because I really cannot handle another death this season.

[ndnickerson.livejournal.com]

it kind of makes me think that eloise herself is also kind of unstuck in time and can go forward and see things, even though she wasn't sure about what would happen to desmond. i know the creators referred to her as a sort of temporal policeman, making sure that everything happened as it was supposed to (up to and including sending her son back to the island to die, apparently), but i have no clue if daniel's death is what sparks the no-babies-will-survive thing.

and why is trigger-happy 1977 ellie supposedly the only one who can get them back to 2007? or... i don't know, they present it like daniel didn't know what was going to happen, but it all seems kind of nonsense otherwise, unless he was convinced only ellie knew where jughead was so that he could use it to blow up... something. great, now my brain has shut down from overload.

i'd be more comfortable if i could tell whether this was going to end with tragedy, relief, or some bittersweet mix of the two, cause it often seems it'll be bittersweet.

[graylizscorpio.livejournal.com]

I was in love with quirky Daniel Faraday, can't believe they killed him off. I really hope the lost writers will let us know more about his failed plan!

[graylizscorpio.livejournal.com]

Lost has done a pretty good job this season of slowly completing a jigsaw puzzle backwards, but this episode reverting to leaving more incomprehensible questions than ever. Although Daniel was my favorite character; they did a poor job of exploring his backstory.

[ndnickerson.livejournal.com]

that's why i'm holding out ridiculous hope that another daniel will appear to help them. after all, when you're dealing with time travel, there's all sorts of fun stuff you can do.